Texas Kaos
TAKE TEXAS BACK!TM

RSS Feed
TexasKaos.com FeedBurner


Regional Coverage
Hot Topics
Blogads
Keep your Internet costs Low!  Protect Net Neutrality!

TAKE TEXAS BACK!
A bunch of thieves, thugs, and nutcases took over Texas. Then they used it as a stepping stone to Washington, DC.

They raided our treasury, stripped our schools and handed it all to their corporate cronies.

Y'all ready to do something about it?

We're taking Texas Back. Join us!


Search




Advanced Search


News in Texas

The Economic Case Against (and For) Nuclear Power in Texas

by: JRBehrman

Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:04:37 AM CST


(John Robert Behrman is an economist and fifth-generation Texan. He is Executive Vice-Chair of the Progressive Populist Caucus of the Texas Democratic Party and State Committeeman for Senate District 13 writing his column here  on Texas Kaos with his personal views only - promoted by boadicea)

Center for American ProgressThe Center for American Progress (CAP), headed by Obama and Clinton insider John Podesta, has released a pretty definitive case against nuclear power:

    "The Self-Limiting Future of Nuclear Power" (Part 1), ...

    And, "The Price is Not Right" (Part 2).

These are also accessible on Joseph Romm's excellent CAP blog, Climate Progress.

The second part uses a scary picture of dollars going up in smoke to make the point. (Actually, the picture is of a steam-condensing "cooling tower", not a smokestack.)

Such pictures are all that is misleading about the articles. They are meticulous and fair discussions otherwise. In any case, the nuclear (actually turnkey project government guaranteed finance) "industry" (meaning lobby) uses such pictures, too, so ... , as I used to say in my soccer referee days, ... "PLAYON!"

Nuclear power has been a bi-partisan failure in Texas. Any as would champion it, as do I, have a heavy burden to bear and should not get the benefit of any presumptions at all. The case against is the place to start building a case for nuclear power.

JRBehrman :: The Economic Case Against (and For) Nuclear Power in Texas
Read the articles. In short, they make largely economic arguments for why nuclear power in the U.S. should go down from about 20% now to around 10% in a future compatible with limiting greenhouse gas emissions. To that end, we should emphasize the most affordable and effective measures first, resorting to nuclear power only as a last, well planned, and well executed resort. I agree with that in the Texas Plan.

Another excellent post in Climate Progress discusses the McKinsey Report on stabilizing greenhouse gas emissions at 450 ppm at zero net cost.

Center for American ProgressAs an economist, I have to say that this all strikes me as a sound, comprehensive framework for resolving a wide range of energy policy issues around scientific concepts of economic and energy efficiency.

As a Texan and a Democrat, I have some practical and political concerns or ... quibbles, if you will:

Prioritize water conservation and job creation

Any kind of boiler, nuclear or carbon, used to generate electricity efficiently poses a problem of condensing steam by warming air ("cooling towers") or water ("cooling ponds. Our tropical climate here in Texas is not great for wind-turbines designed for the North Atlantic or for cooling towers or ponds of any sort. The capital cost of any sort of plant generating power from steam is going to be higher, the thermal efficiency lower, here than in the extreme latitudes.

This is why we need to focus on using wind-power to pump fluids and implementing photo-voltaic power on direct-current micro-grids. We also need to salvage solar and waste heat for refrigeration. Both of these reduce the need for our ever-larger and less reliable transmission grid - a Texas-sized toaster oven.

Getting these things right entails (i) maximizing the scale of modular component technologies as sophisticated as micro-chips and nano-machines or as mundane as building materials, (ii) minimizing the scale of component assembly to small shops and sites, and (iii) optimizing the scope of system integration for middle-class job creation.  Texas could do all of this, could lead the way, in fact. But, the CAP study is somewhat parochial in focusing almost exclusively on capital costs and, indeed, considering them in a strictly conventional, now highly compromised, framework of rather dubious financial institutions. CAP operates in the Washington-centric lobby-world, so that is understandable.

Texas will have to make its way in the real world where we have to compete for capital and jobs.

Re-engineer the carbon-cycle as we bomb and borrow our way past Peak Oil

Actually, hydrocarbons are an excellent means of storing energy from solar energy, whether for a short-time as renewable fuels or a long-time as fossil fuel. Pricing the carbon right is necessary but not sufficient to achieve across-the-board reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

But, given that, Texas can also lead the world in re-engineering carbon-based fuels and prime-movers. I favor di-methyl ether, a synthetic fuel for diesel or gas-turbine engines.Such fuels can be increasingly derived from biomass or synthesized from what would otherwise be fossil fuel burned directly.

Transitional fuel policy takes Willie Nelson, of course, but also ending a religious war between those as seem to advocate organic farming in an adversarial relationship with organic chemistry. The key to peace on the prairie here, I suspect, is marginalizing the symbiosis between environmental plaintiff and defense attorneys. They take gun-battles and freak-shows into courtrooms. "Good on them," as Molly would say. But, that is not the way or the place to re-engineer and re-tool the political economy of Texas generally or to create middle-class jobs.  

Stabilize our public finances

Where CAP goes wrong, I think, is demonizing turn-key projects. To be sure, public financing for turn-key power-generation projects decades ago produced perfectly awful examples of how to do nuclear power. More of the same would be worse. And, actually, all that just gets worse and worse in Texas as the Godforsaken Public Utilities Commission goes about "green-washing" business as usual by "sticking a windmill  on it".

That could be compounded, if McKinsey and bubble-headed politicians try to create a "dot-com" boom in ... greenish "intellectual property", also known as Ponzi schemes.

The fact is that our national institutions of large-scale and small-scale finance are not functioning. Our state institutions, ... never mind.

Oh, and that can get much worse if and as "merchant banks" - money launderers, drugs, and arms peddlers - come into play with "offset" and barter schemes.

Seriously, folks, there is engineering, and there is financial engineering. We cannot apply scientific, engineering, or economic principles to energy policy so long as the formulation and execution of such policy is utterly dominated by fools and knaves, at best, what John LeCarré calls "the worst people in the world", otherwise. Oh, and don't get me started on "bond-lawyers", in between the other two catgories.

The CAP studies pre-date our current financial crisis and reduce the terms of reference to domestic lobby-world. They are not the last word by a long-shot. But, as an advocate for nuclear power in Texas, I have no trouble starting with this ground work and hoping to work within the hope/change agenda of our new Administration. I just hope they fix our financial institutions in my lifetime.

There is a case for nuclear in Texas. But, there is no point making that case (a) if it is confused with junk being peddled before the TPUC today or, (b) if it does not follow generally sound principles for conserving water, creating jobs, re-engineering the heavy chemical industry we already have, and stabilizing our public finances generally.  

I will make that case later, if anybody is still interested. But, I may or may not agree with CAP that the electricity generated on and sent across a public grid should go down to 10% of what should and could be much more robustly engineered sources and uses of power in the future of Texas.  

Poll
Electricity for the public grid should be generated exclusively by ...
Wind-turbines
Gas-fired turbines
Solar boilers
Gas-fired boilers
Coal-fired boilers
Syngas-fired boilers
Nuclear (fission) boilers
None of the above
All of the abover

Results

Tags: , (All Tags)
Print Friendly View Send As Email
Ooof! (0.00 / 0)
Overall John Robert, convincing arguments.  I'm particularly pleased that you separate the case for nuclear plants currently being proposed from what may come in the form of more advanced plants in the future. All of the plants being currently proposed use old technologies and are just "more of the same" highly troubled facilities we've seen in the past.

But one part of your post in particular struck me as patently untrue.

Our tropical climate here in Texas is not great for wind-turbines designed for the North Atlantic or for cooling towers or ponds of any sort.

Ouch! Our Texas climate is in fact FANtastic for wind power -- we lead the nation in wind energy potential!  Just check out the State Energy Conservation Office's page on Texas Wind Energy.  In particular, I'd like to draw your attention to the map of Texas Wind Power Classification, a study done by West Texas A&M University.  As you can see, "Class 4 winds or greater are suitable with advanced wind turbine technology under development today", and nearly the entirety of Texas is covered by Class 1 and 2 winds. Boy, I love it when I can brag on our state. Its nice to be number one in something other than greenhouse gas emissions and executions.  

Also, I know its nit-picky, but I can't let you get away with spelling Willie Nelson's name wrong.  That's our boy you're talking about, and thou shalt not use his name lightly or spell it incorrectly.  By the way, anyone who hasn't listened to Bruce Robison's "What Would Willie Do?" should MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

Sarah McDonald also works for Public Citizen, and blogs at both www.texasvox.org and www.coalblock.org


Sorry about Willie but unrepentant on wind today (0.00 / 0)
Like Molly Ivins, I was a Gulf Coast sailor and second to none in my respect for our many, many varieties of wind. That is why I was very precise in referring to those  horizontal-axis wind-turbines we have gotten in barter for arms and aircraft exports to Spain and Denmark.

Sorry, but I have been to Iraan and seen these Jutland wind-mills pumping juice to run window air-conditioners in Beaumont, while the Permian pumping-jacks import power from coal-fired plants way to the South and East. This is not energy conservation, it is an Enron-grade pricing scam and indirect taxation.

We have a lot of wind-farms because we are a big state with places to put them. That is OK, but no great feat of intellect or politics or much of anything to brag about.

And, the way we use these to generate AC current and jack-up the profitability of coal-fired power plants on the statewide grid -- a big toaster oven -- is a disgrace.

Again, we need vertical-axis wind-mills generating direct-current on micro-grids with storage capacity or driving pumps. That's aeronautical, mechanical, and electrical engineering, not financial engineering.

Deepest apologies to the Meistersinger of Bio-Diesel. The entry is corrected.  


[ Parent ]
I'm not sure what to think..... (3.00 / 1)
After reading your post, it seems like you agree that nuclear power is not a good idea, but yet you advocate we must go forward with it anyway?  I just really don't get it.

You poll asks what source we should EXCLUSIVELY use?  That makes NO SENSE, as the best thing to do is have a balanced energy portfolio which relies heavily on renewables but is backed up with some natural gas and existing (not new) nuclear.  Texas leads the country in wind production right now and is the only state that has amazing wind AND solar potential.  We are #2 in the country in wind potential and #2 in solar.

Your McKinsey analysis is misleading, as well.  First, you have it listed in Euros/ gT of CO2 equivalent-- since when do we use Euros?  McKinsey's analysis of US carbon abatement potential can be found here: http://www.mckinsey.com/clientservice/ccsi/greenhousegas.asp and their actual cost curve for US abatement is here in a PDF: http://www.mckinsey.com/clientservice/ccsi/pdf/US_mid_range_abatement_curve_2030.pdf  The main difference (besides being in dollars) is the larger portion of the abatement curve that can be made through efficiency, which is where we really should be putting our money.

Even with those numbers, nuclear still seems a financial possibility for carbon abatement.  However, McKinsey vastly underestimates the cost of building new reactors in the US.  We have not built a new one in over 30 years, and no single proposed reactor has made their original budget.  For example, the expansion of South Texas was supposed to cost between $5-7 billion for San Antonio, and then came in again at an estimate of $13-17 billion.  Outside estimates have said that CPS is still underestimating the cost and it could go as high as $21 billion.  A recent Congressional study showed that half of all loans on nuclear reactors default, and in this financial environment, we should NOT be putting loan guarantees up for these companies when it's a 50-50 shot they will just piss away the taxpayers' money.  

A theoretical next-gen nuke may cost less, but I have the same problem with them as I do with "Clean Coal"-- they don't exist outside of blueprints and laboratories.  Show me one can work, and we can discuss.

You allude to the fact that we don't have water for nuclear.  We don't, and unless you know how to get us some more water, I still think nukes become DOA.  

That, and the waste issue, the fact that uranium is a limited resource, we don't have enough of it, and we'd have to rape more African wilderness to get enough of it doesn't seem to make nuclear a viable, progressive solution.  

It is also not carbon free, as the mining, milling, and refining of uranium is all very carbon intensive, and also threatens water supplies further with waste from the mining operations.  A great discussion can be had on this at http://dontnuketheguadalupe.org which discusses why the Victoria nuke plant is a terrible idea.

We also can't seem to keep them running safely.  Just go do a google search for "Excelon Illinois tridium leak" and prepare to poop your pants with fear.

Nuclear, when all is said and done, is easy to talk about in the abstract as being a good option.  When we get to the specifics (expansion of Comanche Peak and South Texas, a new reactor in Victoria, etc) you hit a lot more snags.  I urge all of us to think about this carefully and in terms of the major opportunity costs of nuclear-- what else we could be using that money for, what else we need to be using that water for, the conservation of areas where uranium would have to be mined, and the storage problem we create.  Nuclear might be a solution of the future, but today it is just not practical or smart to be putting our scarce resources into.

~~Citizen Andy works for Public Citizen Texas.  You can read their blog on energy, environmental, consumer, and good government issues at http://www.texasvox.org.


Excellent post, if I may reply ... (0.00 / 0)
The poll was a bit of a trick:

Yes, I used the word "exclusively", but the logic included votes for multiple options. My intent is to exclude coal-fired and gas-fired boilers. The former is a horror and the latter simply a low-value use of a high-value fuel.

The version of the cost-curve I used was from Climate Progress. Its significance lies in relative values not in the currency. No apologies.

Both the CAP study and my own Texas Plan are critical-paths. They amount to go-slow for nuclear power. That is the best argument I can think of against Japanese or French thermal reactors being imported, dumped to be exact, in Texas.

It will take some major reform of financial institutions, industrial infra-structure, and professional super-structure before we can build nuclear reactors soundly in Texas or anywhere in the US. It cannot be done in a cornpone state with nothing but Grisham-novel "doctors, lawyers, and preachers" by way of political leadership.

Energy conservation generally and renewable fuels specifically help us buy time to build the foundations for a post-Jim Crow political economy in Texas, a post-Bush regime in Austin and Washington.

Meanwhile, nuclear ordnance conversion and nuclear waste reduction are the best case for building a few fast-neutron reactors on military reservations. Eventually, compact pebble-bed reactors could be integrated into co-generation facilities which use process-steam for, among other things, coking coal and re-forming methane from biomass into syn-fuels.

That is slow, complex, and meticulous -- the only way to use nuclear power. That is not a substitute for options more popular on the left. It is their complement. But, it is also a substitute for foolish nuclear options the right is pushing.

We do not have the luxury of perfect plans and simple options: We have to defeat truly awful schemes and build robust alternatives, both at the same time. The only metaphor I can think of is Ginger Rogers: Dancing in high heels backwards.  


[ Parent ]
Localized power (3.00 / 1)
I think it would behoove many of us to start using localized power. A lot of electrical energy is lost in transmission. For most of us, a small wind generator and/or solar array connected to a battery bank could power anything in the house, including central A/C. Of course the current cost is the problem. A good off-grid hybrid system starts around $14k. It would take several years to pay for itself, but you'd probably have power after a major hurricane.

-$1.50
-8.25,-5.33
How do you inform your countrymen that the nation is on fire when they're too busy roasting marshmallows?


Micro-grids (3.00 / 1)
Yes, getting the scope and scale of solar, wind, and various sorts of stand-by power for peak loads is a very demanding set of engineering problems. But, solving those problems is the way to generate green employment rather than to simply "green-wash" our existing cheap-credit, cheap-labor, cheap-energy economy.

[ Parent ]
Menu

Make a New Account

Username:

Password:



Forget your username or password?


TexasKaos Tools
Blogging 101

Add My Link!

RSS Feed
TexasKaos.com Feedburner
Add to Technorati Favorites (Why 2?)
Add to Google

Texas Elections

2006 Election Results
- Statewide Results
- US Senate Results
- US House Results
- TX Senate Results
- TX House Results

National Elections
US Congress
- US Senate Results
- US House Results
All States
- Governor Results
- Ballot Initiatives
TKaos Voter Tools
TX Democratic Party (TDP)
- TKaosopedia on TDP
- Current TDP Officers
- TDP Handbook
- Party Structure
- SDEC Mission
- SDEC Members
General
- Roberts Rules of Order
- Roberts Rules Online
- Democratic Party
- Who are my Reps?
- Contacting US Congress
- Contacting your state legislator (also legislative research and more!)
- Texas Almanac
- Direct Link to Texas Legislature, including online Video, when in session
Democratic Orgs
- Democratic Party
- Wise County Active Dems
- Harris County Dems
Texas Progressive Alliance
National Voices
- Atrios
- Blog for America
- Daily Kos
- The Field
- Firedog Lake
- Huffington Post
- Iraq Casualty List
- Jesus' General
- Kid Oakland
- Media Matters
- MyDD
- Open Left
- Pandagon
- Political Wire
- Shakespeare's Sister
- Talking Points Memo
Other Sites of Interest
- Army of Dude
- Latina Lista
- Pandagon
- Para Justicia y Libertad
More Tools
Technorati Profile

(Why 2?)

Texas Kaos logo design courtesy of Snarko!
Powered by: SoapBlox